Wasanelder Once

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  inquiring mind has 3 questions

  by OutsiderLookingIn in

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  just a few questions from a newbie.

  answer one or as many as you want.

  1. why cleaners?

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  1. JW's are not particularly cleaner than other people. Many are just the opposite. It is simply a convenience for JW's to become cleaners, windows, office etc. because it takes little mental effort and believe it or not they can do it without paying taxes because it is often a cash transaction. Others justify that they don't make enough to pay taxes and don't report it. The sad thing is there is no Soc Security points and thus no retirement. They will regret it. It makes it easier to schedule conventions and such when you are your own boss.

  2. Yes, guilt runs deep. People leave for various reasons. Most to escape the pressure not the doctrines. Those that leave for doctrine seldom return. Everyone else is likely to have at least one relapse. That was me the first time I left. This time? No guilt, just education.

  3. Can't answer that. was born to the breed but didn't join till 16.
  
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  What I thought CLAM meant , can you think of anymore ?

  by smiddy in

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  for a while there i was confused as to what clam stood for .. ideas that crossed my mind .

  christ left a ministry , or meeting .

  children`s lives are mine .....( pedo`s in the borg ).

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  Contrived Lives Are Meaningless

  Cult Leaders And Members

  Condemn Lutherans And Mormons
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  Do People Have Spirits? What Do the Early Texts Say?

  by Cold Steel in

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  for years adventist sects, including the jws, have believed that the dead sleep at death and remain non-existent until the resurrection.

  its strongest argument seems to be text in the non-escchatological book of ecclesiastes in the old testament.

  although a part of the canon of scripture, the book is not written by a prophet, nor is there any prophecy or recognizable doctrine contained therein.

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  But what of the dog, camel or friendly finch? Ah you say, they have no soul, yet do they not breathe? If you cut them, do they not bleed?
  
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  "There will be earthquakes...."

  by Fisherman in

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  given: the prophecy is true.. what did jesus mean?

  i have an app that alerts me of any earthquake all over the world.

  since i got the app, it is one earthquake after another all over the world.

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  This proves it baby! Whole lotta shakin goin on! Just look at his hair! Now that's shakin!

  Whole lot of it.
  
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  whats your take? When someone asks my wife what religion she is, she seems embarrassed to say she is a JW.

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  so thinking back about the times when someone has asked my wife what religion she is.

  she sheepishly and seems almost embarrassed to say she is a jehovah witness.

  when someone asks me, i just say i am a christian.

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  When I was half-assed I was embarrassed. Once I went full throttle drone I was a pain in the ass as I "boldly proclaimed my association with God's organization" though the sound of it always came across as corporate to me.
  
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  Who can you trust to admit you have doubts?

  by MrMonroe in

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  (that is, doubts).

  in margaret atwood's "the handmaid's tale", a futuristic story of life inside a repressive, abusive big brother-style society tightly controlled by religious fundamentalists, there's a passage in which the protagonist is alone with another woman at a state-controlled centre where prayers are generated -- then printed out and read out -- by a machine.

  the other woman asks, in barely more than a whisper, "do you think god listens to these machines?

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  Doubts = Apostasy ..if you are too vocal. By simply expressing my doubts to a relative she started crying and saying, "I don't know who you are anymore!" She almost had a mental breakdown. Coming from me, substitute Pio School instructor, District Convention speaker etc. it was more than her brain could handle. I've backed off since then and we have a quiet truce going. No more doubts, so no need to mention them. I don't doubt, I KNOW that its not the "Truth" so why express them?
  
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  New here, never baptised (thank god)!

  by olongapo joe in

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  just signed up and wanted to introduce myself.

  i had 1 x-mas and 1 birthday before both my parents joined the jw's around 1966 or 67 being 1 year old i don't remember them (the holidays), to this day holidays are nothing to me (thanks jw's).

  i never really believed the bible or jw literature.

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  O-Joe, you must know that sarcasm is almost impossible to convey in text because of a lack inflection. You will probably piss people off and spend time explaining yourself so don't give up. So happy for you that you had a life mostly free from WT shackles. Not many of us had that. Keep posting, it will help someone I am sure.
  
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  There are some real beauties posted here!

  by stillin in

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  this one is worth repeating.

  it was buried in a thread and u've been thinking about it all day.. a quote from mark twain, one of my all-time heroes.. "it's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him that he has been fooled.".

  isn't that the truth....

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  I like Turtles
  
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  Any former elders brains I could pick?

  by BarelyThere in

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  i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

  it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

  i was dfed back in september for adultery.

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  Hadriel, I have seen it many, many, many times that the original committee had said "NOT YET" as they deemed it too soon because the offense was so serious and it hadn't been long enough, almost two years in one case! It wasn't my approach but that was because I was awake and not a jerk. I agree that the new JC are more lenient because it is all academic when it is new to them but more often than not they defer to the original in a big way because their ass is on the line with the CO if they ignore the 1st JC and countermand their decision. Its a big cult out there Hadriel. Were you an elder? Just curious. Don't have to be to see what happens in the congregtion but I've read the letters of NO and was on a committee where I was overruled and they responded no to a reinstatement request.
  
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  Any former elders brains I could pick?

  by BarelyThere in

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  i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

  it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

  i was dfed back in september for adultery.

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  If you move to the new congregation and apply for reinstatement they MUST contact the original committee. The new committee will refer to the first one. It is the original which makes the decision to reinstate unless time has passed and the members are no longer available either through death, deletion or disfellowshiping. Sorry guys but you are stuck with that committee.